Subject: Info-Mac Digest V16 #94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Info-Mac-Digest" --Info-Mac-Digest Info-Mac Digest Wed, 22 Apr 98 Volume 16 : Issue 94 Today's Topics: (C) missing features from macintosh version (Q) curse the cursor (Q) Finder Preferences ? Fax-on-demand software [A] Apple Data Detectors 1.0.2 problem [A] database solution [A] Monitor Image Shrinking [A] Zip Disk Rebuild DT?? [Q] Apple Express Modem DAA [Q] items in need AGGHH sound play-thru keeps turning on by itself Apple Event Manager & OS 8 CD-ROM Stereo Output Computer monitoring via pings disable ramdisk empty trash warning erasing zip disks Fwd: "Consultant" PIM? Fwd: Wordperfect 3.5.5... G3 Memory Problem G3 scrolling Here's A Question... HFS+ dilemma HFS+ dilemma (R) HFS+ is safe - summary Info-Mac Digest V16 #90 - Other OS on Macs Info-Mac Digest V16 #91 Info-Mac Digest V16 #91 Info-Mac Digest V16 #91 Info-Mac Digest V16 #91 Info-Mac Digest V16 #91 Info-Mac Digest V16 #92 / Word 98 Jim Leitch's Address Book and OS 8.x LW II NT comment Mac to Win via e-mail attachments? Monitor Image Shrinking Multiple Find App (applet??) Netscape memory No Desktop organization OT/PPP troubles Running other operating systems on Macs Sound turned off (R) STF/phone conflict WTB:PowerPC The Info-Mac Network is a volunteer organization that publishes the Info-Mac Digest and operates the Info-Mac Archive, a large network of FTP sites containing gigabytes of freely distributable Macintosh software. For more information, visit the Info-Mac Web site at . 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If a massive letter writing campaign doesn't get Netscape to realize the value of releasing concurrantly the same features, nothing will. Here is what I wrote: I currently work with both Macintosh and Windows NT. As a result I have downloaded both the Mac and Windows NT Netscape 4.0.5 versions. The Mac version lacks the auto-fill URL feature which remembers URLs you have enterred before and tries to guess what URL you are typing in before you complete typing. The Mac version lacks the channels bar that appears under the URL entry bar, that allows you to have multiple sets of pull down bookmarks. Both these features existed in Internet Explorer 3.0.1 for the Mac, and Internet Explorer 4.0 for the Mac. You are falling behind Microsoft. Also Microsoft allows you to choose the Java virtual machine in Internet Explorer, whereas Netscape you are stuck with Symmantec's virtual machine. As some virtual machines are more stable for certain types of Java it is wise to be able to switch on the fly between virtual machines. Please incorporate all these features into future releases of the Macintosh version, or supply a patch to the existing version. The only reason I still use Netscape is that it does not crash as often as Internet Explorer does. But some of the features that Internet Explorer has I would love to see in Netscape for the Mac, if I am going to continue to use Netscape. Thank you. Sincerely, abrody@smart.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:45:00 -0400 From: abrody@smart.net Subject: (Q) curse the cursor Dear Digest readers, My pointer has recently begun to disappear on me a lot. I have recently installed SoftWindows 95 5.0 GoMac 1.5f1 Kaleidescope 1.8.1 Stuffit 4.5 Netscape Communicator 4.0.5 Civilization II Eudora Lite 3.1.3l And it is on MacOS 8.0 with a PowerMac 7200/75. Any idea what may be causing it? Closing and reopenning a few windows seems to bring it back. But it would be nice for it not to happen at all. Thank you. Sincerely, abrody@smart.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:02:47 +0100 From: James Mills Subject: (Q) Finder Preferences After restarts finder font & grid spacing preferences revert to defaults.Trashing finder preferences,restarting and resetting no help. Jimmy Mills ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:38:35 +0200 From: bromo@flashnet.it (Vittorio Barabino) Subject: ? Fax-on-demand software From: Bob Rolston > I would like to set up a fax-on-demand system at work so that clients can > call and retrieve their documents at their expense. -1-Communigate (it's made of several modules; you can find them on inf-mac) -2-MacComCenter (the complete version, not the one bundled with USR modems) Ciao, \+----------+ "La risposta e' dentro di te... Vittorio --| : ) o | ...MA E' SBAGLIATA!!!" /+----------+ Enciclopedia d.Fantascienza: http://www.fantascienza.com/edf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 98 10:23:20 +0200 From: Phil Hudson Subject: [A] Apple Data Detectors 1.0.2 problem >I recently upgraded to the new version 1.0.2 of ADD and they stopped >working. Now all I get when I select a URL in text is the the cursor trying >to switch to the Contextual Menu cursor briefly then swithing back again >repeatedly. You get this if you use a non-US keyboard layout -- it's a bug in one of Apple's Contextual Menus extensions. Check your Keyboard control panel. If that's not it, try Apple's user discussion boards -- that's where I found out about the keymap bug. http://discuss.info.apple.com/boards/MacOS.nsf/by+Category >| Phil Hudson Phaleng IT Consultancies, Gaborone, Botswana |< <| Email: phil.hudson@iname.com http://www.info.bw/~phil/ |> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 98 15:23:11 -0700 From: "Brian Wessels" Subject: [A] database solution I've gotten several responses on this, and I thank all who have set me straight. Invariably when I ask a question on Info-Mac, I quickly realize the solution was at hand, but I was just too blind to see it. Sheepishly, the technical writer admits he didn't RTFM. What can I say? I'm used to working with prototype software, where the manual is my responsibility. Giving the manual a fair chance, I find that plenty of layout customization is available for ClarisWorks databases. An unfortunate feature of the software is that the Layout button does NOT bring you to that layout customization area, as one would expect. I have maligned ClarisWorks unjustly. It is indeed fine for the job at hand. ----------------------- Brian Wessels Senior Technical Writer Microtest Enterprise Group | 22 Cotton Road | Nashua NH 03063 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 08:35:28 -0000 From: "Lewin A.R.W. Edwards" Subject: [A] Monitor Image Shrinking >I have an Apple Color Plus 14" Display that I bought about 4 years ago. It >seems to me that the image size has shrunk over time. The desktop image is >now down to 9" in width, with a dark margin of 5/8" on either side to the >edge of the mask. There is no external means for controling image size. I I recently did a bit of refurb work for a workmate on an LC II which came with this model of display, and the picture shrinkage was so marked that I honestly believed someone had been inside fiddling! On closer inspection, it turned out that the reason the raster was shrunken (and rather too bright) was because of a raised EHT voltage. I didn't have the tools or parts with me to do a recap job (which is what I suspect the monitor needs), so I just adjusted the geometry and sub brightness trimpots, gave the monitor a pat on the back, and booked my flight to Denmark. Hush! The geometry controls are located along the left side of the monitor's PCB (as you look at the front of the unit), immediately behind the CRT. To access them, remove the four screws from the back of the monitor (two at the top of the screen, two on the bottom). The top portion of the cabinet can then be removed - very nice design, much better than most monitors which require you to remove the base and thread cables in and out of holes! If Apple was offering you a *recap* for $50, that is quite an acceptable price. If all they were going to do is tweak a few trimpots (like me 8-) then it's a bit steep. -- Lewin A.R.W. Edwards (Certified Apple Engineer) Home: Resume: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 08:35:32 -0000 From: "Lewin A.R.W. Edwards" Subject: [A] Zip Disk Rebuild DT?? >Any idea why some (not all) of my Zip disks (on a Mac PB1400-OS8.1) >rebuild their desktops when I insert them into my internal Zip drive? There are a couple of possibilities: 1. If you share disks between machines running earlier MacOS versions and this machine, when you bring the disk back to your OS8.1 machine, the DT will be rebuilt because there have been format changes across the various System versions. 2. If there isn't enough room to write the desktop file, or there is a disk error, it will force a rebuild next insert. -- Lewin A.R.W. Edwards (Certified Apple Engineer) Home: Resume: ------------------------------ Date: 17 Apr 1998 22:31:59 GMT From: Beat_Birkhofer@macworld.ch (Beat Birkhofer) Subject: [Q] Apple Express Modem DAA Hello I have a PowerBook 165c with an Apple Express Modem Card (14'400) installed. Recently I had problems with the DAA, an external small box that connects the Card with the Telephone Cable. To get the dial tone I had to move the Cable a little. So it looked like a damaged Telephone Cable to me. A week afterwards I had no more dial tone at all. But the Telephone Cable worked fine with my normal Modem. I also tried two other Cables that worked with my normal Modem without success. I tested the Cable between Card and DAA and it is good. The Card also knows if the DAA is connected or not. The boards inside the DAA look absolutely undamaged. Did someone have the same problem and found a solution? Or where might I find someone who wants to sell a DAA? As a spare-part from Apple it costs about $ 250. (I'm a poor starving student!) TIA Beat_Birkhofer@macworld.ch ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:01:50 -0400 From: Ken Laskey Subject: [Q] items in need It is time to look in the surplus piles. Here's my problems: (1) My Bernoulli 150 Transportable died (I think there was a voltage surge) the day before my Zip drive arrived. I now have a disk stuck in the dead Bernoulli that has information I need. I should have backed it up, you say. Well, most of it is on -you guessed it- another Bernoulli disk. I haven't gotten around to trying to take the old puppy apart. Any suggestions? Any idea where I could get (borrow?) a replacement? (2) My PM 7200/90 is now running OS 8.1 and I'm using Netscape 4.04. Some Web-based software we are developing generates Java-script errors on the OS 8+ Macs but not on our PCs. When someone tried to duplicate the errors on a Mac running Sys 7.5.3. (and Netscape 4.04), everything was fine. First, any suggestions? I also tried booting with only Mac OS 8 extensions, but no difference. So what I'd like to do is install the original system for the 7200 on a fresh partition of my external drive so I can try to isolate the problem. But this machine wasn't originally mine and no one knows where the original system disks are. I've seen postings before where there are some in this admireable community who have collected every conceivable system. Could one of you please contact me so I can get a copy. TIA, Ken Laskey kenneth.j.laskey@cpmx.saic.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:57:57 -0700 From: JonYo Subject: AGGHH sound play-thru keeps turning on by itself Hmm. I think I heard that more people than just me were having this problem, but I can't remember there was a way to make it stop. Ever since I upgraded from 8.0 to 8.1, the play thru keeps turning itself on and up to full. I can tell by using Sound Input Strip (by Neil Hickox) in my control strip. Of course, if my sound in is set to the microphone, I get the wonderful humming noise from the feedback loop this creates. Lame lame lame. I've tried thrashing ever preference file that I can think of that might have to do with sound stuff. Any other ideas? - JonYo (mailto:jonyo@wenet.net) (http://www.hooked.net/~jonyo) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 08:21:47 +0000 From: Tim Brogdon Subject: Apple Event Manager & OS 8 Hi ya'll, I'm running OS 8 on a 7200/120. I just recently performed a clean install as I thought I had some corruption in my system folder. It seems that I no longer have the Apple Events Manager extension anywhere on my hard drive. It sounds to me like this is a vital extension but the machine seems to be running fine (i.e., no crashes, no buggy behavior -- so far). Do I need this extension? I'm not doing any high end stuff at all. If I do need this extension is there a way to locate it on my OS 8 cd without re-clean installing? Thanks for your help, again, Tim Brogdon tbrogdon@memphis.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:26:11 -0500 From: "The Lipscombe's" (by way of Hugh Lewis) Subject: CD-ROM Stereo Output Mac o' philes please help: I've asked all my "Mac" buddies about this problem and they are all stumped so here goes: I've got a Centris 650 running System 7.6.1 with lots of RAM and a so-so hard drive. Additionally, I have an Apple CD1200i (8x) and a pair of Atlantic Tech. Multimedia speakers (with subwoofer). Here's the rub...alert sounds (both those on the computer and those on a CD containing shareware) play in stereo, a program called "Morton Subotnick's MAKING MUSIC" (which is on a CD) will also play stereo sound, but when I insert a standard stereo music CD (so I can listen to favorite tunes while working on the computer) all I get is one channel (the left). I installed the Apple supplied software which came with the CD-ROM drive, I've doubled checked the audio cable from the rear of the CD-drive to the mother board, and I've checked the Sound control panel which is part of the system software (which shows I should have stereo output.) I've checked the Sound settings on the Apple CD Audio Control Panel which, by the way, have no effect on the music emanating from the speakers. What, pray tell, have I not done correctly in setting up my system or have I over looked the obvious? Thanks for your time.... A frustrated audiophile... Doug (lipscomb@datasync.com) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:08:53 -0500 From: hope@bme.unc.edu (Joni Hope Julian) Subject: Computer monitoring via pings > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:55:01 -0400 > From: Peter Galko > Subject: Computer monitoring via pings (or other mechanisms) > > We have been having a bit of a problem here with breakins to professors > offices and the theft of computers on weekend evenings. [Fortunately, > these theives currently only steal Wintel machines, and leave the Macs > alone!] Our Security Services is trying to deal with the situation by > having our computers left on all the time and periodically pinging the > machines to watch for machines that disappear when they shouldn't. It > seems that Security Services are having some trouble locating software that > would automatically inform them of such changes on the network...so they > manually monitor the network at the moment. > > Does anyone know of (robust) software that could automatically generate > warnings of computers that seem to disappear from the net in a real-time > way? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Peter Galko, Tel: (613)-562-5800 ext. 6204 e-mail: galko@site.uottawa.ca Around here, we use Spectrum for more network management than you're talking about. Spectrum would do everything you want quite easily. We run Spectrum for Unix, although there is a version for WindowsNT that is not nearly as nice and nowhere near as fast. (No comment on Wintel from me; make your own!) Spectrum is from Cabletron, http://www.ctron.com/ , but may be QUITE a bit MORE than you want, both capability and possibly price. Another company with network monitoring software that seems nice (friendly service when I called) is Neon at http://www.neon.com/ , but MacWorld at http://www.macworld.com/ wasn't impressed with their latest version of LANSurveyor. Something from Neon might suit your needs. HOWEVER, I do want to point out pinging all the time is Not A Good Idea unless you like bringing the network down. Someone with some network skills should talk to your Security Services. - Joni ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:39:16 +0200 From: Rafael Santiago Lamarca Subject: disable ramdisk Hi everybody, Is it possible that people can NOT do ram disks in a mac? I tried to protect the system folder with Norton Disklock, but it doesn't work... It's a Performa 630 with MacOS 7.5 Thanks in advance, Rafael Santiago Lamarca e-mail: rsantia@etse.urv.es ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:45:35 -0800 From: Melanie Jo Watts Subject: empty trash warning hello, I like to unclick the warn before emptying box on in the get info dialog window for the trash. However, lately on my powerbook 1400running system 8.1, I have to unclick this box everytime I boot up. Why is this ? it never used to be the case. Thanks for any help Melanie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:45:44 -0700 (PDT) From: G D Subject: erasing zip disks >Never ever erase or initialize a Zip disk using the Finder. Allways use >the Iomega Software that came with your machine. Every Zip has its on >driver ON the disk, and it won't mount without it. First try do Hmm. I recently erased a disk in the Finder and it lost its colour icon. I couldn't use the Tools application because it wouldn't open. Whenever I tried to open it, I got the message "The application "Tools" could not be opened because "AppleGuideGlueLib" could not be found". I started to worry after I saw your message so I activated Apple Guide and fired up Tools again. This time it worked perfectly. The disk even got its colour icon back. I can find no mention of this in any of the documentation I have. In fact, I can't even find the relevant Apple Guide file. George ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:33:00 -0700 From: Daly Jessup Subject: Fwd: "Consultant" PIM? Bob Warner asked: >Anyone using the shareware PIM "Consultant"? I use it a little from time to time, but have switched to using my new Newton most of the time. Consultant is gorgeous. The only thing I did not like about it is that it seems to take up my whole screen. I have the same beef with Claris Organizer, which is also a great program. Consultant is really a great deal, though, if you are needing a full-featured PIM. And it is physically beautiful, and designed with infinite care. Daly ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:42:52 -0700 From: Daly Jessup Subject: Fwd: Wordperfect 3.5.5... Michael Luskin asked: >I wrote a few weeks ago with respect to Corel Wordperfect updater 3.5e. >Through MacZone, I bought what turns out to be Wordperfect version 3.5.3, >which identifies itself as version 3.5, and MacZone thinks is version 3.5.1. >I downloaded an updater called 3.5e updater from a sumex mirror. And found >out that it only can be applied to 3.5.5. And that I need it for what I do. > >A number of people on the list wrote me saying they had 3.5.5, and had gotten >it in early December. If any Wordperfect users are reading this, I would like >to know WHERE and HOW and WHEN they got the later version. MacZone >insists that it does not exist. I appreciate the help. I have archived the Word Perfect 3.5.4 updater, but not a 3.5.5. But there's some confusion over the 3.5e version. In fact, it is not an updater as such, but an upgrade, and you have to pay for it. I think it costs about $25 and they send you a new CD when you order it. The 3.5e updater available on line is to be run on 3.5e after you buy it. Daly ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 12:04:28 -0400 From: Michael Blair Subject: G3 Memory Problem On 4/18/98 4:33 AM Harry G. Osoff wrote: >My dealer has just informed me that my G3 255 will not run properly >with Two(2) 32 MB SIMMS. It must have One(1) 64MB SIMM. > >He says there is a conflict and its what causing my machine to crash. Is >there any truth to this > Harry: I'd be skeptical, but why would your dealer lie? Then again, according to my most resent MacWarehouse catalogue one 64 MB synchronous DIMM costs $380 CAN while two 32 MB synchronous DIMMs cost $240 CAN). You do the math... I'd be willing to bet it's something else that's making your machine crash. I presume you've performed all the basic troubleshooting procedures, like running will all extensions off and such things. Michael Blair ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Blair Technical Communications Tel: (514) 989-8713 106 - 3500 Atwater Avenue Fax: (514) 989-7521 Montreal, Quebec CANADA H3H 1Y5 Email: mjblair@total.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:01:34 EDT From: Luskin Subject: G3 scrolling With my new G3, scrolling takes place far too quickly. For instance, when looking at WordPerfect or word files, a slight tap on the scroll bar advances the page far too much. Is there a way to slow scrolling down? This is also a problem with word. Thank you Michael B. Luskin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 98 19:08:00 -0000 From: Ted Hobgood Subject: Here's A Question... First off, thanks for providing such an excellent and informative service to the Mac users. It's much appreciated by the nearly-always-silent majority of us, your subscribers. Now on to the question. I have a vague memory of reading in Info-Mac a year or so ago about some sort of little program that will let you set the application memory allocation for the Finder, as you can do with any other app by bringing up the Get Info box. Actually, now that I write this, I'm thinking it might not have been a program, maybe just some instructions to do it with Resedit. Y'see, I have this problem with my Mac at work, I'm forced to use virtual memory. If I don't, I can't restart or shutdown (computer just freezes). I thought that memory solution might fix it...erk! Thanks for the help, Ted Hobgood Ted Hobgood Senior Editor > > > > > P O W E R B O M B < < < < < --> The Online Wrestling Magazine <-- * * * http://www.powerbomb.com * * * ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:44:27 -0400 From: Mel Martinez Subject: HFS+ dilemma At 4:32 AM -0400 4/17/98, abrody@=7Fsmart.net wrote: > >Dear Digest readers, >Before I even think about getting a G3, I want to find out one thing. >Can a G3 machine be attached to an APS drive formatted with Powertools 4.1 >under MacOS 8.0? I heard about some incompatibilities that either make it >impossible for an HFS drive to see the data on an HFS+ drive, or vice >versa. Now which is it? > Short answer: This is not a problem and I would not worry about it - get the G3. Longer answer: The issue is NOT whether a 'drive' formatted with either format can see a drive formatted with the other. The issue is that a Mac running a version of the operating system prior to Mac OS 8.1 cannot see the contents of a volume formatted with HFS+. It instead would see a single text file with instructions on how to see the rest of the contents. A mac running Mac OS 8.1 can see, read & write, the contents of volumes formatted in either HFS or HFS+, no matter what version of the OS formatted the volume. Assuming your new G3 is running Mac OS 8.1, it should have no problem reading your APS external drive. The internal drive will probably come preformatted with normal HFS. If you convert the internal drive to HFS+, then the only time this would become a problem is if you try to boot from an external drive with an earlier version of the OS prior to 8.1. If you convert the external APS drive to HFS+ the only time that might become a problem would be if you then attached it to another mac running an earlier version of the OS. So you can just ignore HFS+ entirely and have no problems, but not get the space efficiency of HFS+, or convert to HFS+ and simply avoid the two situations I described above. One outside possible problem is if the version of the driver used on the APS drive simply is incompatible with version 8.1. However, most drivers that work with 8.0 should work fine with 8.1. The APS disk utilities may not be able to reformat the drive into HFS+ format, but this is a separate issue and not a big problem (see below). >If it is impossible for an HFS+ drive to see an HFS drive, then I am in >trouble. Without some form of a free formatter that works on an APS drive >to upgrade to HFS+ I won't be able to read my data when I go to a G3. >Please tell me this isn't so. Anybody have experiences? > Assuming you are booted from one drive with Mac OS 8.1, that both drives are mounted (so their drivers are working) and you have backed up the data for the other drive, you can always convert the other (non-boot) drive from HFS to HFS+ (or back) by erasing it from the Finder and choosing the appropriate format. So you have a free converter 'built in'. >If my applications are on my external APS drive, will the Open/Save dialog >box be able to see data saved on my internal drive, when the internal is >HFS+, and the external is HFS? > Yes. You will see absolutely no difference in behavior. >Or if the applications are on an HFS+ internal drive, and I try to open >data on an HFS external drive will the dialog box be able to do it? Yes. You will see absolutely no difference in behavior. > >Also will CDs burnt with Toast software while still using MacOS 8.0 and HFS >be readable in a G3 that has MacOS 8.1 and HFS+? > Whether the G3 boot disk is formatted with HFS+ or not is irrelevant. As long as the driver software used to read the CDs is compatible with Mac OS 8.1 then you should have no problem. Assuming you are using a built-in, Apple-supplied CD-Rom drive, and so are using the built in CD Rom driver software Apple supplies with the OS, then you should have absolutely no problem, unless the 'Toast' software does something wierd like use some non-standard format that requires a special driver or filter. >These are all experiments I wish I could conduct, but I don't want to risk >losing any data. > Unless you have something especially wierd going on, you should not have any problems. Dr. Mel Martinez =46USE Science Software Developer The Johns Hopkins University Dept. of Physics mem@jhu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:01:00 +0200 From: cbuser@access.ch (Christian F Buser) Subject: HFS+ dilemma (R) abrody@ smart.net wrote > Before I even think about getting a G3, I want to find out one thing. Can > a G3 machine be attached to an APS drive formatted with Powertools 4.1 > under MacOS 8.0? I heard about some incompatibilities that either make it > impossible for an HFS drive to see the data on an HFS+ drive, or vice > versa. Now which is it? Don't panic! ;-)) The problem is the other way round. A HFS+ drive cannot be accessed when you are running an earlier operating system version than the one needed to "do" HFS+ (which is MacOS 8.1). Instead, you only see a SimpleText file which tells you that the drive is formatted with HFS+. MacOS 8.1 can access any drive, be it HFS (the "standard" formatting) or HFS+. > If it is impossible for an HFS+ drive to see an HFS drive, Not one drive sees the other, but the Operating system sees the drives. > Without some form of a free formatter that works on an APS drive to > upgrade to HFS+ I won't be able to read my data when I go to a G3. Please > tell me this isn't so. Anybody have experiences? You don't need to convert to HFS+, but it may save you some wasted space on bigger drives. Best wishes, Christian (and again: Don't Panic!) -- Christian F. Buser - phone (+41-56) 491 0877 Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland) Look at ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 20:42:02 -0400 From: abrody@smart.net Subject: HFS+ is safe - summary Dear Digest readers, As a summary of eight replies I have received already, it seems it is OK to run third party HFS drives on G3s that HFS+ installed operating systems. So at least that part of my worst fear is over. One note that I already was aware of and mentioned by these replies, is that Norton is not yet HFS+ compatible, but Techtools Pro 2.0 which is soon/or to be/has been released is compatible. :-) I'd like to say thank you to each one that does reply, but in case I miss someone here is my thank you. Sincerely, abrody@smart.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 09:03:02 -0600 From: Mr Scuba Subject: Info-Mac Digest V16 #90 - Other OS on Macs The Info-Mac Moderators wrote: Info-Mac Digest Fri, 17 Apr 98 Volume 16 : Issue 90 > > Subject: Running other operating systems on Macs > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:40:00 +0100 > From: David Nelson > > I would like to put another operating system on my PowerBook 5300c (just > for fun, and to show my PC friends that Macs are more than just toys.) > Does anyone know of anything that will work on my PowerBook? If at all > possible, I do not want to make Unix partitions or anything like that. I > would prefer something I can run using the existing file system. As far > as I know, Be OS doesn't work on the PowerBoook 5300, and the various > types of Linux I've seen all require partitions. Basically, I'm looking > for something that runs kind of like an emulator without buying Virtual > PC or SoftWindows. Any suggestions? David You can get RealPC for < $80.00. It will run a a MS-DOS 6.22 emulation. You can run PC game cds or small DOS apps. The "catch" is that to put Windowz on any machine you will have to give up at between 50 and 120 MB of HD space (That's just for the basic Windowz install - depending on 3.1 or '95). Knock 'em dead guy, Neal Skrenes Community Leader TheTropics/Shores/8500-8999 TheTropics/Cabana/4500-4999 ----- Mr. Scuba "I drive a tow truck on the mr_scuba@geocities.com Information Highway" =[8]-}>) Computers/Diving/Photography http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/4385/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 12:04:27 -0400 From: Michael Blair Subject: Info-Mac Digest V16 #91 On 4/18/98 4:33 AM Egidio Leitao wrote: > I own a Mac clone from Mactell (4 GB hard disk). Since installing >Mac OS 8.0, I noticed the problem with small files taking a lot of space >(like a 5K archive shows up taking 64K). I don't want to upgrade to OS 8.1 >to take advantage of HFS+. What I have read so far does not entice me >towards that solution. I think that if I partition my hard disk into >smaller drives, I might solve the problem I've described above. Since I >know absolutely nothing about hard drive partition, I'd like to find out if >there are any sites that I could visit to learn a bit more and also how to >do the hard drive partition. Any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance. Egidio: Persoanlly, I wouldn't be reluctant to upgrade to OS 8.1 and HFS+ but, yes, partitioning your drive would reduce the minimum file allocation size on each partion, effectively doubling or tripling your overall storage capacity (or rather the number of available segments), depending on how many partitions you assign and the types of files you store (small or large). Paritioning is quite straightforward. Your hard disk utility software will do it quite easily. The only hitch is that you will have to back up the entire contents of your 4 gig drive in order to reinitialize it. You'd have to do that to upgrade to HFS+ as well. Basically, here is how you would do it using Apple's Drive Setup: - Back up your hard drive (including your system folder). - Boot from a floppy or CD ROM containing Drive Setup. - Run Drive Setup - Select the drive you want to initialize. - Click the initialize Button. - Enter parition information. - Intialize... There are some advantages to HFS+ over partitioning. Let's say you opt to intialize as two 2GB HFS partitions. Minimum file allocation would still be about 32 kb. Which means a 4 k file would still use up 32 kb. On a 1.2 GB HFS drive, the minimum file allocation is about 20 kb. The minumum file allocation size on an 1.2 GB HFS+ drive is 4 kb. When I upgraded to HFS+ I recovered a considerable amount of disk space because most of my files tend to be smallish word processing files. (See my other posting re the obsessive collecting of information). However, if you work with mostly graphics files, which tend to be large, you won't recover as much space. Either by HFS+ or partitioning. As for web sites about partitioning, I don't know of any. You could check to see if your hard drive utilities manufacturer has a site. Michael Blair ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Blair Technical Communications Tel: (514) 989-8713 106 - 3500 Atwater Avenue Fax: (514) 989-7521 Montreal, Quebec CANADA H3H 1Y5 Email: mjblair@total.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 12:04:26 -0400 From: Michael Blair Subject: Info-Mac Digest V16 #91 On 4/18/98 4:33 AM Daly Jessup responded to Brian Wessels question: >>I'm basically trying to keep a bunch of short articles on a subject for >>personal >>use. For each article I want about seven fields of short information (one >>to ten >>words) such as Source, Date, Important Points, etc. Then I want one much >>longer >>field to enter an abbreviated version of the article, several paragraphs >>long in >>most cases. I would like to be able to see all the data in at least the short >>fields. Printability is not important to me; my goal here is to eliminate the >>paper. >> > >Yes, a spreadsheet would do it. Even the one in ClarisWorks. But the data >base in ClarisWorks should do fine. As a professional writer and obsessive collector of little bits of information that I always have trouble keeping track of, my choice for this kind of thing would be a free form text database program. The problem is that I can't find a decently designed one. So my second choice is my word processor (currently Word 98). I also drop a lot of stuff onto my desktop as clipping files, rename them, and dump them into folders labelled by subject. I've messed with hypercard and filemaker as possible solutions, but since a lot of the stuff I collect I write myself the hypercard and filemaker editors leave a lot to be desired. Plus, I'm lazy, why bother, and so far I haven't heard any convincing arguments against using a word processor to store text information. And I can add pictures if I want. Just my $0.03 Canadian ($0.02 US) worth. Michael Blair ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Blair Technical Communications Tel: (514) 989-8713 106 - 3500 Atwater Avenue Fax: (514) 989-7521 Montreal, Quebec CANADA H3H 1Y5 Email: mjblair@total.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 12:04:24 -0400 From: Michael Blair Subject: Info-Mac Digest V16 #91 On 4/18/98 4:33 Ted Logan tedlogan@busprod.com responded to abrody@smart.net: >>Dear Digest readers, >>Before I even think about getting a G3, I want to find out one thing. >>Can a G3 machine be attached to an APS drive formatted with Powertools 4.1 >>under MacOS 8.0? I heard about some incompatibilities that either make it >>impossible for an HFS drive to see the data on an HFS+ drive, or vice >>versa. Now which is it? >> > >You may already know that Apple recommends against using HFS+ on your >startup disk, which I just learned a few days ago from a clued-in Info-Mac >correspondent. He also made a strong case for always reading Apple's "Read >Me" files, especially the ones for Mac OS 8. Where did your "clued-in Info-Mac correspondent" read that Apple "recommends against using HFS+ on your startup disk"? HFS+ is working just fine as the startup disk of my 7200/120. The following is from the "About Mac OS Extended Format" readme: "680x0 Specific Issues 680x0 processor computers can not use a hard disk initialized with Mac OS Extended format as the start up disk, but the Mac OS Extended format can be used on additional disks connected to a 680x0 computer running Mac OS 8.1 or later. In addition, you can not select a hard disk initialized with Mac OS Extended format in the Virtual Memory section of the Memory control panel." Michael Blair ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Blair Technical Communications Tel: (514) 989-8713 106 - 3500 Atwater Avenue Fax: (514) 989-7521 Montreal, Quebec CANADA H3H 1Y5 Email: mjblair@total.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:06:50 -0400 From: Mel Martinez Subject: Info-Mac Digest V16 #91 At 4:33 AM -0400 4/18/98, tedlogan@busprod.com wrote: >You may already know that Apple recommends against using HFS+ on your >startup disk, which I just learned a few days ago from a clued-in Info-Mac >correspondent. He also made a strong case for always reading Apple's "Read >Me" files, especially the ones for Mac OS 8. As long as you have available a separate bootable volume that uses Mac OS 8.1, such as on a Zip cartridge, then there is no reason not to go ahead and use HFS+ on your startup volume, assuming it is large enough that you would realize worthwhile space savings from using HFS+ on it. You can easily make a Mac OS 8.1 bootable zip cartridge like so: Quick&Dirty emergency method: Download the Mac OS 8.1 Emergency Bootable Floppy Disk image file from apple (it's in the same location as Mac OS 8.1 update). Open this image file on the desktop (you may need to have the latest version of Disk Copy but I think it is a self-mounting image) by double-clicking. Drag the system folder to a Zip volume. More involved method: Use your 8.1 system software installer CD (or 8.0 CD + 8.1 updaters) to simply INSTALL a universal Mac OS 8.1 system on a Zip volume. The same strategy applies to other removable or external volumes like syquests, jaz, etc. You will then be able to boot from this cartridge. If you used the quick & dirty emergency method, you will get a dialog at startup about how this system was only meant for emergency use - you already know that so just ignore it - before it loads into a bare minimum system. It will, however work fine and allow you to see other volumes whether they use HFS or HFS+. Cheers, Dr. Mel Martinez FUSE Science Software Developer The Johns Hopkins University Dept. of Physics mem@jhu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 98 09:44:38 -0400 From: leecdvm Subject: Info-Mac Digest V16 #91 >I would like to set up a fax-on-demand system at work so that clients can >call and retrieve their documents at their expense. >The client must call on from a fax unit or telephone connected to their fax >unit. Once they have entered the number of a document, they press the send >button on their fax unit and begin receiving the fax(s). >Does anyone know of fax-on-demand software that runs on the Macintosh >Operating System? >Bob Rolston PhoneMaker by Micromat has the best there is ...... It's not cheap but you get what you pay for. If you want an objective evaluation feel free to contact me Lee Corbridge, DVM leecdvm@digital.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 07:51:47 -0400 From: KrishnaMohan & Bhuvaneswari Subject: Info-Mac Digest V16 #92 / Word 98 Ed Ver Hoef wrote: >I have Office 94 (I think). At any rate, it is the first one that came with >Word 6. I have been considering upgrading to Word 98. If I upgrade to Word >98 (but not the entire new Office suite) will the new Word integrate with >my current Office software? Or would I be better served by upgrading to >office 98 even though I don't need Power Point at all and my version of >Excel more than meets my spreadsheet needs? Certainly you will be better served with Word 98 and you will have no problems with your Word 6 or even earlier versions of Word documents. You might however could consider getting Office 98 than Word 98 even though you think now that your earlier version of Excel meets your spreadsheet needs since, the price difference between Word 98 & Office 98 would not be that much and the additional bells & whistles in the Office CD alone would make it worth while. Just my opinion. Best Wishes - KrishnaMohan *** mailto:kmohan@tstt.net.tt *** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 12:09:28 -0600 From: Ted Logan Subject: Jim Leitch's Address Book and OS 8.x Thanks to the two dozen plus Info-Mac correspondents who responded to my question about Jim Leitch's apparently universally popular Address Book software, which ended at version 3.7.Op11 with Jim's passing, I have learned that my assumption that it wouldn't run under Mac OS 8.0 or 8.1 was wrong. Even though I haven't yet bitten the 8.x bullet (waiting for a G3), enough people have told me they're running Address Book under 8.0 or 8.1 without difficulty to convince me it's not a problem. Best news I've had this week. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:57:32 -0400 From: "Jim (James G) Hardwick CPA" Subject: LW II NT comment 980417 1425est Paul you may want to keep my addr handy as I have had an NTX (same mechanism, only minor electronic/sw diffs with yours) since 89 and will always be glad to share notes with you. The only thing I have replaced other than toner is the fan, which I replc with an HP fan per the local dealer's advice. Squirrel cage item, located in a corner area inside. Cost about $60, c1994. One thing to keep in mind on the NT is that part of its innards has a limited life in some respect that is not shared with the NTX. This relates to some eprom or similar chip that wears out as it is user-toggled over time. Perhaps some guru out there recalls the details on this & will enlighten you. It probably would be a good idea to get a manual for it. I believe the NT & NTX manuals are the same. The paper handling is superb and totally reliable to this day on mine, although slow. I use it for printing plain paper checks using micr toner & my aatrix (grrrrr!) payroll & checkwriting programs. I use Laserwriter Bridge softw for printing, since an ethernet connector for the older apple printers is really expensive. Slow but it works. I use an HP Laserjet 4MV for general chores, which I like much less for its clunky, odd paper handling and total lack of any support connection with HP (their recpt was really rude to me when I tried to call re a warranty problem once). I did repl the toner cartridge via Mac Zone when one failed with toner still in it. That may be one advantage to the HP toner carts, a "lifetime" warranty (not on toner of course). Just be sure you buy it from a legit dealer who will honor the warranty, since HP will not talk to you. Good luck jh ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 98 08:03:32 -0700 From: Roszel Family Subject: Mac to Win via e-mail attachments? Can everyone help me with e-mailing attached WORD files from my PPC to a Windows environment? I use WORD 5.1a, and have occasion to e-mail files to people who work in the Windows environment. They claim they can read WORD files, altho that's not their primary word processing software. The files I attach, saved in WORD's MS-Dos, Windows 2.0 or RTF formats open up as gibberish. I can solve the problem by cutting and pasting, but it'd be easier if I could simply attach files, none of which are particularly long, by the way. I use Claris E-Mailer, have the "compress files" box checked and "service default" as encoding method. Any help will be greatly appreciated. I can be reached at roszel@concentric.net. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 09:40:29 GMT From: Ian.Goldby@powertech.co.uk Subject: Monitor Image Shrinking Ed, I have a similar monitor, and have always thought the margins are a bit big. I refrained from adjusting it though because I like to keep the scale on the screen the same as on paper. I.e. if I draw a line 4" long on the screen it actually measures 4" with a ruler, the same as when I print it out. It sounds like your screen is about right. There are 640 pixels across the screen on your monitor, and at 72 dots per inch, that is 8.9 inches. So do not send your monitor for adjustment, as they will not find anything wrong with it. I don't know where to find the adjusters to change the screen image size myself. A 15" monitor would make a big difference, because it, or any other multiscan monitor, would allow you to use higher screen resolutions, e.g. 800x600, 1024x768, etc. (The Colour Plus 14" display is limited to 640x480 pixels.) They also have buttons on the front for controlling the size of the margins around the image. I assume you understand that simply enlarging the displayable area by reducing the margins won't actually allow you to get any more on the screen, but it can make small text easier to read at high resolutions. On the Colour Plus 14" monitor though, the display is so sharp that you won't gain any readability by enlarging the displayable area, and I advise leaving it alone. If you want clarification, mail me. Incidently, there is a joke extension that gradually shrinks the visible part of the screen by lopping off a pixel every time you restart. It doesn't sound as if this is what you've got, but I mention it for information. Ian. From: Ed Ver Hoef > >I have an Apple Color Plus 14" Display ... It seems to me that the image >size has shrunk over time. The desktop image is now down to 9" in width, >with a dark margin of 5/8" on either side to the edge of the mask... > >Have any of you ever tried to adjust the image size on this type disply? >Was it difficult? Where (inside the case) are the controls located? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 02:47:00 -0400 From: "Hines, Jim" Subject: Multiple Find App (applet??) Greetings, all: I have a project underway that will require people to find multiple pieces of artwork on a single, mounted volume. I've searched and searched, but can't seem to find anything that will allow a Mac to execute multiple searches (finds) on a target volume. Does anyone know of an app or AppleScript that will do this? If you do, please either reply directly to me or to the list. Thanks, Jim Hines Advertising Technology Manager The Courier-Journal A Gannett Newspaper ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 16:11:28 +0100 (BST) From: Michael Rank Subject: Netscape memory I recently entered the late 20th century by buying a CD-Rom drive to plug into my Performa 475, and downloaded from a cover CD Netscape 3.02. Frankly I don't see a huge difference from 2.01 which I was using before, but it is causing me memory problems. I upped the minimum size to 8,500 k and the preferred to 11,000 k (from 7,000 and 9,000 respectively) but this hasn't made much difference and I would welcome views on what I should do. Netscape is very slow to fire up and sometimes I get messages saying I am running out of memory even when I have only Netscape running. Also Netscape sometimes refuses to fetch any Web pages when I am online even though Eudora has been working fine. Part of the problem may be that I only have 8MB of RAM. I would very much welcome your views on whether I should assign more memory to Netscape and if so how much, or whether I really need more RAM (and if so how much). I also have Netscape 4.03 on disc. Does this have any real advantages over 3.02 or would it just exacerbate my memory probs? Please reply using words of one syllable or less as I am not remotely technically minded. Many thanks, Michael Rank Phone: 0171 254 8168 40 Northchurch Rd, London N1 4EJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 02:08:21 +0100 From: Ian Burt Subject: No Desktop Hi Maccies, Just had a phone call from a friend a few hundred miles away looking for advice which I was unable to give. He was rebuilding his Desktop wusing TechTool when it froze up (I think). He did a dirty reboot to get as far as the Finder showing a Menu Bar, but he can get no further; no Desktop Icons at all. He has done all the usual tasks like running Norton from a floppy and is told all is well. I suggested he initialised his drive and reinstalled his System, to be told he doesn't have a backup copy of any System. He bought the Mac 2nd hand as is without realising what he was letting himself in for. I have been warning him this would happen for two years. I keep a copy of ResEdit on my hard drive to hack at the System file and Finder and access it from a floppy with a small Finder and System on it in times of need. Tony cannot do this. Any one out there with an idea? I would appreciate emails direct as well as to the list as time seems to be crucial here. TIA Ian B But you who walk facing the sun,what images drawn on the earth can hold you? mailto:i.burt@netmatters.co.uk http://www.netmatters.co.uk/users/i.burt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:01:07 +0200 From: cbuser@access.ch (Christian F Buser) Subject: organization David Huston wrote: > Isn't there some way you could number the submissions in your listing so > that they could correspond with the separate messages? It is a pain > trying to find the right message. Surely I'm not the first person to > make this request? Read the messages with EasyView, and you're fine. It can be found in the info-mac archives, of course. Just export (Save As...) the messages to a text file, and you can use EasyView to search whole years of messages. Cheers, Christian. -- Christian F. Buser - phone (+41-56) 491 0877 Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland) Look at ------------------------------ Date: 17 Apr 98 23:52:57 -0400 From: "D. Scott Beach" Subject: OT/PPP troubles Peter Hartmann writes: >I got myself a modem, a cheap provider and installed and >configured OTPPP. Everything went well until I hit the connect button: I >dialog came up telling me the selected modem script file could not be >found. In fact none of the several dozens of modem files displayed in the >pop up menu can be found. I cannot even use one of the modem scripts >coming with the original OTPPP package. The whole kaboodle does not even >bother to talk to the modem. Peter: Is the "Modem Scripts" folder in the "Extensions" folder in the "System" folder and does it contain the CCL files? If it/they got moved then OT/PPP won't see it/them. - Scott ************************** D. Scott Beach, sbeach@front.net A rabid Mac dude in Toronto. ************************** ------------------------------ Date: 18 Apr 98 00:09:52 -0400 From: "D. Scott Beach" Subject: Running other operating systems on Macs David Nelson writes: >I would like to put another operating system on my PowerBook 5300c (just >for fun, and to show my PC friends that Macs are more than just toys.) >Does anyone know of anything that will work on my PowerBook? If at all >possible, I do not want to make Unix partitions or anything like that. I >would prefer something I can run using the existing file system. As far >as I know, Be OS doesn't work on the PowerBoook 5300, and the various >types of Linux I've seen all require partitions. Basically, I'm looking >for something that runs kind of like an emulator without buying Virtual >PC or SoftWindows. Any suggestions? David: Check out this site: http://internetter.com/titan/software/ This fellow makes more free Mac based emulators than the number of systems I though existed! ************************** D. Scott Beach, sbeach@front.net A rabid Mac dude in Toronto. ************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 05:55:33 -0700 From: Tony Subject: Sound turned off (R) Paul Brians wrote: >From: Ross wrote: > >>Paul Brians wrote of sound problems with CD's on his G3. Once in a while my >>G3 will simply decide to reset the sound levels to zero on its own. I reset >>and it will eventually zero them out. Don't have a clue as to why. >>Ross > >I see it's not just me. Mine is not a G3, but a 7600/132 running 8.1. The >last two times Netscape (what else?) crashed it, it rebooted with the >"mute" box checked in the sound control panel. It would seem to be a system >problem, not a hardware one. There is a two-year-old freeware which may offer some help with this problem. It was created to unmute the "mute" box when the user had something plugged into the headphone jack. On some machines (7100s,PCC clones,???), this causes the system to be "helpful" and mute the sound (yes, done in software!). This very small (12K) app/extension package is available at: http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/Unmute-it/ -- Tony > NF Rock Mac MIDI SciTek "If you have something to fall back on, you probably will." - Roy Orbison ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 16:11:51 +0100 (BST) From: Michael Rank Subject: STF/phone conflict I have a Motorola 28.8 3400 modem and a Performa 475, with my single phone line used for both going online and ordinary voice calls. Sometimes when the computer and modem are on and the phone rings, the STF faxing software comes on too, causing a high pitched beep and clicking on the voice line. This is very irritating, although it doesn't happen all the time. Does anyone know how to stop this happening? Many thanks, Michael Rank Phone: 0171 254 8168 40 Northchurch Rd, London N1 4EJ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 18:27:57 -0600 From: philldunagan@prodigy.net Subject: WTB:PowerPC I am the pastor of a small church located in Albuquerque, NM. We are in need of an inexpensive Power Macintosh to use for newsletters, email,internet access, etc. We have a very tight budget and we only in need of the CPU, (no keyboard, monitor, mouse, cables, etc.). If you are selling such a machine, please let us know. Thanks, Phill Dunagan (philldunagan@prodigy.net) I.C.G, Albuquerque -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading -------------------------------- --Info-Mac-Digest-- End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************