Subject: Info-Mac Digest V17 #176 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Info-Mac-Digest" --Info-Mac-Digest Info-Mac Digest Mon, 06 Nov 00 Volume 17 : Issue 176 Today's Topics: (A) 3rd and higher level filtering with Eudora? (A) Converting PowerPoint files (A) find by content (Q) 3rd and higher level filtering with Eudora? (Q) 3rd and higher level filtering with Eudora? [*] Abstract for Sales Organizer 3 [*] Meteor Storm 1.4 [*] MikaFolders [*] Mikaicons [*] TypeLaunch 1.0.1 [*] Web Confidential for Palm 1.1.1 [*] Web Confidential for Palm 1.1.1 - Deutsch [*] Web Confidential for Palm 1.1.1 - French [*] WebSiteManager 1.6 [A]: Irish Accessories Another mute G3 browser weirdness Flow diagram program Internet Telephony lagtime Opinions wanted Q Dying ZIP Power Supplies Slow Find by Content Indexing This is REALLY getting to me (A) This is REALLY getting to me--- The Info-Mac Network is a volunteer organization that publishes the Info-Mac Digest and operates the Info-Mac Archive, a large network of FTP sites containing gigabytes of freely distributable Macintosh software. 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I believe the file containing filter instructions is actually just a text file. If you are willing to edit that (and can interpret it), then perhaps you could add higher level filters than are allowed natively in the filter creation/edit interface. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 03:17:47 -0800 From: j4 To: Info-Mac Digest Subject: (A) Converting PowerPoint files Patty and Art Werschulz ask: >Occasionally I receive PowerPoint files via e-mail (the extension is >.pps). Is there some utility that will convert these into something I >can handle with my Mac (e.g., a folder of PICT files)? On the Microsoft D download site there is an application made for Mac called PowerPoint 98 Viewer. In case the URL didn't come through, go to microsoft.com, navigate to "more downloads" (lower right corner section link) and use the pop up menus to specify your parameters for product name and operating system. Click Find and there you have it. Hope this helps, J ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:11:30 -0500 From: "abrody@smart.net" To: digest@info-mac.org Subject: (A) find by content Dear Digest readers, In a previous digest, a reader was upset about how slow find by content is at indexing. Find by content is unnecessary, thanks to a wonderful freeware: BBEdit Lite ftp://ftp.barebones.com/pub/freeware/BBEdit_Lite_4.6.hqx After opening it up, go to the search menu, and select find. In the Find window you will notice multi-file search, which once checked, you can pick your folder to search. And it searches nested folders, if you so choose, for text in any file. Best of all, BBEdit Lite is free. Turn off Find by content in the search preferences of Find by content, and you should do fine. Sincerely, abrody@smart.net -- Come visit my mini Yahoo at: http://www.index-site.com/ All links verified monthly. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 14:59:31 -0800 From: "Dan O'Donnell" To: "Chaz Larson [mailing lists]" , digest@info-mac.org Subject: (Q) 3rd and higher level filtering with Eudora? Chaz, I have to agree with you that autoreporting is not a wise idea. It is too broad a net, and will implicate what spamcop calls "innocent bystanders". That being said, I used to have Eudora configured to have a personality and/or stationery form with my Spamcop address as the listed sender and return address. I did this specifically to spoof spammer address harvesters on Usenet, since Info-Mac is posted to Usenet. After reinstalling Eudora (v4.3.2) a month or so ago, I'm unable to recreate that configuration. (This message was reconfigured manually to display my spamcop address.) Anybody knowledgeable with Eudora who can provide specific instructions on how to do this? (And I'll be RTMing this weekend.) Dan At 10:00 AM -0600 on 11/2/00, Chaz Larson [mailing lists] wrote: >I question the idea of *automatically* forwarding any piece of mail >that doesn't match some set to abuse@*. > >What if I like one of abrody's posts and want to compliment him/her? >What if I have a followup question? I'm probably not in the blessed >group, so such a filter would automatically send a complaint to my >ISP. That seems bad. > >My personal suggestion would be to use spamcop.net. Very effective >filtering, simple reporting [headers are analyzed to determine the >true source, and the complaint mail is generated automatically], >reasonable price. > >I'm just a satisfied customer. > >chazl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 21:50:10 -0600 From: Chaz Larson To: "Dan O'Donnell" Subject: (Q) 3rd and higher level filtering with Eudora? >After reinstalling Eudora (v4.3.2) a month or so ago, I'm unable to >recreate that configuration. (This message was reconfigured manually >to display my spamcop address.) Anybody knowledgeable with Eudora >who can provide specific instructions on how to do this? (And I'll >be RTMing this weekend.) I might be misunderstanding the question, but I believe I've got one of my umpteen Eudora personalities configured this way. Here's what I've got in the Personality configuration screen under Eudora 5 on this machine here: Personality Name: chaz @ spamcop Username: chaz Mail server: pop.spamcop.net Real name: Chaz Larson SMTP server: mail.visi.com Return Address: chaz@spamcop.net I'm using the same config with Eudora 4.3.2 at work [except that the SMTP server is different]. Replies to mail sent from that personality go to chaz@spamcop.net. Is that what you wanted? Or have I totally misunderstood what you're asking for? chazl -- Once you take away my right to speak, everybody in the world's up shit creek. - Ice-T; Freedom Of Speech [just watch what you say] Chaz Larson - chaz at visi dot com - http://www.visi.com/~chaz ------------------------------ Date: 5 Nov 2000 From: Laurier Levesque To: Subject: [*] Abstract for Sales Organizer 3 Sales Organizer is an all-purpose management tool for the retail and sales industry. It manages inventory, invoicing and more. Enter your inventory and you are ready to work. The demo is a runtime software. FileMaker users can get a rebate when purchasing Sales Organizer. This set of databases can be modify in order to meet your needs. gestabusiness@usa.net http://go.to/gestabusiness [Archived as /info-mac/data/sales-organizer-3.hqx; 4250 K] ------------------------------ Date: 4 Nov 2000 From: zblack To: Subject: [*] Meteor Storm 1.4 Meteor Storm (1.4) is a high quality arcade shareware game from Z Square Entertainment. It's an addicting space shoot-em-up that features fast action, rich graphics, stereo sound effects, upbeat background music, and 2 player simultaneous gameplay ( team or versus ). It requires system 7.5.3 or higher ( OS 8.0 - 9.0.4 compatible ), and any color 68k or PPC Macintosh with a 12" ( 512x384 ) monitor, although a 14" ( 640x480 ) screen is preferable for a more comfortable playing area. [Archived as /info-mac/game/arc/meteor-storm-14.hqx; 3781 K] ------------------------------ Date: 4 Nov 2000 From: Michele Bugliaro To: Subject: [*] MikaFolders Item: folder icons (freeware) Requirements: any color Mac There are many folder icons in many styles. The readme is in DocMaker format. --Michele Bugliaro [Archived as /info-mac/gui/icon/mika-folders-pro.hqx; 295 K] ------------------------------ Date: 4 Nov 2000 From: Michele Bugliaro To: Subject: [*] Mikaicons Item: icons (freeware) Requirements: any color Mac There are very many system icons as other ones. The readme is in DocMaker format. --Michele Bugliaro [Archived as /info-mac/gui/icon/mika-icons-pro.hqx; 279 K] ------------------------------ Date: 4 Nov 2000 From: Tobias Peciva To: Subject: [*] TypeLaunch 1.0.1 TypeLaunch is a handy application launcher, where you type in part of the name of the application to launch. As you type, TypeLaunch quickly searches through all your applications to find the best match for what you have written. When the right application pops up, just hit return to launch it. To find out just how quickly an application can be located and fired up, download TypeLaunch and give it a try. TypeLaunch is freeware and requires a PowerPC Mac with System 7 or later. For more information, please read the manual enclosed with the package, or visit my software web page at: http://www.peciva.com/software/ If you have any questions or comments, please refer to my web page: http://www.peciva.com/ You can also send mail directly to: support@peciva.com [Archived as /info-mac/gui/type-launch-101.hqx; 40 K] ------------------------------ Date: 5 Nov 2000 From: palm-support@web-confidential.com To: Subject: [*] Web Confidential for Palm 1.1.1 Web Confidential for Macintosh, Palm and Windows. The most powerful password manager around. Web Confidential for Palm is a solution to keep your data secure while you travel with your Palm and need access to your confidential data. It uses an intuitive, easy-to-use cardfile metaphor which will enable even novice users to get up to speed in no time. Web Confidential for Palm is supplied with a Macintosh Conduit, so that you can synchronize your data with your Mac. Last but not least, Web Confidential permits you to encrypt your password files, protecting this sensitive information from prying eyes, using a state-of-the-art encryption algorithm. Your key can be up to 448 bits in length. Features: * Small, fast and stable. * Easy to use, similar to Palm OS Address application. * Windows and Macintosh desktop version available. * Conduit for automatic synchronization with Macintosh desktop application. * Well thought out categories to quickly organize your data. * Field names adapt to selected category. * Notes can be attached to any record for any additional information. * Key button to transfer password to another application like your Web browser * Autolock, never forget to lock your passwords anymore. * Hide password option, don't let someone prying over your shoulder see your passwords. * Lookup, quickly jump to a record. * Find button, find text in any field. * Available in English, French, German and Japanese. * State-of-the-art encryption algorithm Blowfish to keep your data secure. * Key can be up to 448 bits long. [Archived as /info-mac/comm/inet/web/web-con-palm-111.hqx; 148 K] ------------------------------ Date: 5 Nov 2000 From: Rene Laterveer To: Subject: [*] Web Confidential for Palm 1.1.1 - Deutsch Web Confidential for Macintosh, Palm and Windows. The most powerful password manager around. This version is localized in German. Web Confidential for Palm is a solution to keep your data secure while you travel with your Palm and need access to your confidential data. It uses an intuitive, easy-to-use cardfile metaphor which will enable even novice users to get up to speed in no time. Web Confidential for Palm is supplied with a Macintosh Conduit, so that you can synchronize your data with your Mac. Last but not least, Web Confidential permits you to encrypt your password files, protecting this sensitive information from prying eyes, using a state-of-the-art encryption algorithm. Your key can be up to 448 bits in length. Features: * Small, fast and stable. * Easy to use, similar to Palm OS Address application. * Windows and Macintosh desktop version available. * Conduit for automatic synchronization with Macintosh desktop application. * Well thought out categories to quickly organize your data. * Field names adapt to selected category. * Notes can be attached to any record for any additional information. * Key button to transfer password to another application like your Web browser * Autolock, never forget to lock your passwords anymore. * Hide password option, don't let someone prying over your shoulder see your passwords. * Lookup, quickly jump to a record. * Find button, find text in any field. * Available in English, French, German and Japanese. * State-of-the-art encryption algorithm Blowfish to keep your data secure. * Key can be up to 448 bits long. [Archived as /info-mac/comm/inet/web/web-conf-palm-111-de.hqx; 150 K] ------------------------------ Date: 5 Nov 2000 From: palm-support@web-confidential.com To: Subject: [*] Web Confidential for Palm 1.1.1 - French Web Confidential for Macintosh, Palm and Windows. The most powerful password manager around. This version is localized in French. Web Confidential for Palm is a solution to keep your data secure while you travel with your Palm and need access to your confidential data. It uses an intuitive, easy-to-use cardfile metaphor which will enable even novice users to get up to speed in no time. Web Confidential for Palm is supplied with a Macintosh Conduit, so that you can synchronize your data with your Mac. Last but not least, Web Confidential permits you to encrypt your password files, protecting this sensitive information from prying eyes, using a state-of-the-art encryption algorithm. Your key can be up to 448 bits in length. Features: * Small, fast and stable. * Easy to use, similar to Palm OS Address application. * Windows and Macintosh desktop version available. * Conduit for automatic synchronization with Macintosh desktop application. * Well thought out categories to quickly organize your data. * Field names adapt to selected category. * Notes can be attached to any record for any additional information. * Key button to transfer password to another application like your Web browser * Autolock, never forget to lock your passwords anymore. * Hide password option, don't let someone prying over your shoulder see your passwords. * Lookup, quickly jump to a record. * Find button, find text in any field. * Available in English, French, German and Japanese. * State-of-the-art encryption algorithm Blowfish to keep your data secure. * Key can be up to 448 bits long. [Archived as /info-mac/comm/inet/web/web-conf-palm-111-fr.hqx; 159 K] ------------------------------ Date: 5 Nov 2000 From: Ton Brand To: Subject: [*] WebSiteManager 1.6 WebSiteManager 1.6 What it is: Versatile tool for managing one or more (max.16) web sites. Author: Ton Brand Company: Ton's Software License: Shareware US$20 Computer: PowerPC or iMac Mac OS: 7.5 or later Abstract: WebSiteManager is a versatile tool for managing one or more (max.16) web sites. It checks your web pages for broken hyperlinks and dangling tags and optimizes the HTML code. The program offers 5 functions as known from its predecessor HTML OptimizerPro and supports drag & drop also. Further it offers various upload and download capabilities plus other useful options that make working with WebSiteManager very easy. WebSiteManager can remove resources from graphic files. The program offers a large choice of options, including the 'alias mirror' for a good visual check of an optimized file. Every web folder gets its own optimized duplicate, with the same directory structure as the original. When you upload, the URL of the host is automatically adapted to the directory of the file or folder being uploaded. Version 1.6 has better upload error handling and more reliable uploading of a web folder's main directory. [Archived as /info-mac/text/html/web-site-manager-16.hqx; 1354 K] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 14:59:23 -0800 From: "Dan O'Donnell" To: Donal Leader , digest@info-mac.org Subject: [A]: Irish Accessories The original creator of Irish Accessories is a lecturer in CompSci at Trinity University. It was originally created for System 5 and worked through System 7.1, but judging from the screenshots on his site he has it working on MacOS 8 at least.. You might contact him to see if he's updated it. His name is Mchel Mac Brdaigh (Michael Brady), and his website is HTH, Daniel O'Donnell At 2:28 PM +0000 on 11/1/00, Donal Leader wrote: >I've been using Irish Accessories for a number of years to allow the writing >of Irish language diacritics (fadas). Since upgrding to OS 9 on my iMac, >I've lost Irish Accessories. Is there an OS 9 compatible version around? > >Dnal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 06:56:39 -0800 From: Barb Lange To: digest@info-mac.org Subject: Another mute G3 I too have a beige G3 that became mute. I have not trashed preferences, I have not reloaded any software, and I have not loaded anything new. I haven't even moved or bumped the box, but one day last week the computer seemed to be clearing it's throat and the sound came back. I'm just getting over a cold my self and have also been clearing my throat, therefore the analogy. But really, one day last week the speaker began to crackle at bit, and it got clearer and clearer until the sound was restored. Is it possible these G3s are susceptible to laryngitis? After all viruses are spread by computers. Sorry, I'm not trying to make light of the problem. My computer really was silent for about 6 months, then with no apparent changes to environment the sound came back. I'm interested in an explanation as well. Barb Lange Distance Education Simon Fraser University http://www.sfu.ca/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 12:30:16 -0700 From: M Steinberg To: digest@info-mac.org Subject: browser weirdness Can anyone help with this one? I have both netscape communicator and ie 4.5 loaded on my computer. When I try to open a file from my harddrive in ie it automatically defaults and opens in netscape. I have no problem accessing url's from ie but I cannot check work in progress that has not been uploaded to a server. TIA Miriam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 15:15:59 -0800 From: "Dan O'Donnell" To: Glen Hawkins , digest@info-mac.org Subject: Flow diagram program Have you looked at Inspiration? It creates diagrams that can look like flow charts; it has multiple symbol sets, and you can create your own custom symbol sets as well. At 10:50 PM +1100 on 10/31/00, Glen Hawkins wrote: >Hi there, > >I am after a program that can create flow type diagrams for things >like biochemical processes. The program would have to allow variable >pathways and allow text writing along pathways. > >Any ideas?? > >Cheers Glen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 23:15:58 +1000 From: Michael Koren To: Subject: Internet Telephony Is there any service available on the internet to allow people with Macs to call phones at low rates like there seems to be all over for PC's? Also - there are a number of services that provide conferencing facilities for a number of people with PC's to connect together on. What about for the Mac? I've not been able to locate one and my company's selection of a service excludes my participation unless I can locate one. Michael Koren ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 10:06:42 -0500 From: Rita/Al Balkin To: digest@info-mac.org Subject: lagtime Can anyone tell me why I am getting lag time between the keyboard and the screen on Eudora? It began after downloading a "patch" for Eudora 5.0. I know of no way to get rid of the patch...Rita Balkin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 10:39:19 -0500 From: John Browner To: digest@info-mac.org Subject: Opinions wanted I have a 500 MHz Pismo. Recently I used the PC slot for the first time. The way it works is that a button pops out about an inch when you insert the PC card. When you want to eject, you push the button back in. What I didn't notice was that, against all logic and common sense, the button is engineered to pop back out after the ejection so that when I put the laptop in its case, the button snapped off. I called Apple and they said that all plastic is not under warrantee and that the 1 piece of plastic that broke off will cost $300+ to replace. I pointed out to them that the reason it broke off was that it was engineered in such a way as to make its breakage highly likely..No matter what I said, their robot-like response was to ignore every point I made and repeat "No plastic is under warrantee." over and over again. My question is, do you think that Apple's response was fair and right? I would also like to know if this problem has happened to other Pismo owners(as I believe it must have) and if Apple is not doing a Bridgestone-like stonewalling in order to avoid a mass recall for what is, in reality, simply an accident waiting to happen. Bookmanjb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 14:37:51 -0600 From: Jesse the K To: digest@info-mac.org Subject: Q Dying ZIP Power Supplies Seeking help from the collective wisdom here. I have had a ZIP drive 100 chugging away for the last 6 years. (Alas, not the same one, but still, never lost data.) In the last six months, I have had 2 power supplies fail. Troubleshooting Results: The driver loads on startup, but Tools 6.4.1 reports that no ZIP is attached and won't run. Loading the Guest driver doesn't help either. Shutting down and swapping in a different power supply -- everything is ducky on startup. Swapped four different ZIP drives with the three power supplies on hand: one predictably fails (and is now in real-life trash). Environmental Data: The power supplies have always been plugged in to an "APS SurgeArrest Professional." No other devices have fried when plugged in to this same strip. G3/233 MT, SCSI ZIP drives, no other devices on the SCSI chain, OS 8.6, ZIP driver 6.0.7 Questions: Is there any chance that what *seems* to be a dead power supply is actually something else? Is there something peculiarly vulnerable about these power supplies? Something wrong with my power strip? Know where I can find electrically identical power supplies that *won't* fritz out on me? This is what it says on these heavy black cubes (the two dead ones had a rounded edge) ZIP 100 power supply Part Number 02477800 ITE POWER SUPPLY input 120v 60hz 13w output dc 5v 1a Thanks.... -- Jesse the K -- Madison Wisconsin USA -- For peace of mind, resign as general manager of the universe. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 14:33:34 -0500 From: Saint John To: digest@info-mac.org Subject: Slow Find by Content Indexing At 20:31 -0500 11/3/00, "David V. Wiltschko" wrote: > My G4 has recently decided that indexing the hard drive shall take >100 hours. Up until that time, I had indexing for Find By Content in >Sherlock done at night and, after the first time, only took a few >hours. What's gone wrong and how to fix it? I tried to trash the >invisible TheFindByContent folder in Sherlock, but it won't let me. >Apple's support pages say that Sherlock lacks this ability on >purpose. Any clues as to how to fix this? My hard disk is really >getting a workout. Yeah, my Mac Os 8.6 PowerCenter does that too-- not always, but every once in a while. It's at the point where I don't automatically reindex any more, but rather just before I go on vacation or something. 100 hours would probably pass in 6, just so you know. The estimate is almost always off when it first starts. (When it winds down, too; that last "About one minute" can take half an hour.) But I've often found that the best way to get a rational indexing rebuild is to delete the old index and start afresh. To do this, open Sherlock to "Find By Content," then click "Index volumes." A list of your mounted volumes will be displayed. Click on the one with the problems, and the "Delete index" button should light. Click it and confirm the action. NOTE: I'm using Sherlock 1; Sherlock 2 may be slightly different. For my own part, I've found it useful to make a small volume (64 Mb) called "Text." Any text document goes in here. I have PDF manuals, SimpleText manuals, URLs, papers I'm writing, adventure game walkthroughs, etc.; anything that might get searched. (Absent are web pages from my "Development" partition, Eudora mailboxes, and source-code files. However, those might get added in the future.) This way, you can regularly index the Text volume once a week while you're at work, and the index will be more useful and smaller than if you had contained a lot of miscellaneous files. Text files are usually small enough so that 64 Mb contains a lot of info! If you use Microsoft Word, of course, you need to increase that by a factor of four. +- Saint John -+ | "U is for UNA who slipped down a drain | +-- V is for VICTOR squashed under a train" (E. Gorey) --------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 19:41:42 +0100 From: Christian F Buser To: chazzz Subject: This is REALLY getting to me (A) Hi Charles, >To recap: Whenever I double click a document file, I get an error >message that says "the application 'User Dictionary 1' can not be >opened. The file is either missing or corrupted". >The issue here is if I do search, find User Dictionary1 and drag it to >the trash, the next time I double click a file I get an error message >with a new "can't open App..' but this time it lists a different app. >The only way I can open ANY text file is to use the OPEN USING function >on contextual menus. I can open the files this way using Simple Text/BB >Edit/AppleWorks etc. >A simple double click doesn't open these files. Seems that your Desktop-file is totally confused... Did you - during startup - rebuild the desktop file on your drive(s)? You do this by pressing "Command" and "Option" when you start your Mac until it asks you something "do you really want to rebuild the desktop file for the disk....?". Then, you just confirm that you want. The Mac will ask you this for each volume, and you have to answer for each volume. You can also try to trash the preferences of the control panel "File Exchange". What text files are they, anyway? What program do you expect to open your files? Good luck, Christian -- Christian F. Buser, Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland) Look at If you think education is expensive, try ignorance ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 11:16:05 -0600 From: "Gib Henry" To: chazzz , "Info-Mac List" Subject: This is REALLY getting to me--- >Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 06:07:16 -0500 >From: chazzz >To: digest@info-mac.org >Subject: This is REALLY getting to me--- > [...snip...] >To recap: Whenever I double click a document file, I get an error >message that says "the application 'User Dictionary 1' can not be >opened. The file is either missing or corrupted". [...snip...] Here's what I'd do if I had the problem: 1. Run ALsoft's Disk Warrior from a startup disk. 2. Reboot with shift key down (extensions off). 3. Reboot; rebuild desktop by holding down cmd-opt as Finder launches. Still have problems? 4. Use TechTool or equivalent to DELETE the desktop files (Desktop DB and Desktop DF), then restart, allowing the Finder to rebuild them from scratch with a Disk-Warrior-cleaned and -optimized directory. If you haven't otherwise done it in a while, you might reset PRAM before doing all this, either via TechTool which can save and restore PRAM contents, or by cmd-opt-p-r on restart, holding down those keys until you hear at least 4 chimes. I'd be astonished if you still had the problem after all that. Hope this helps. Cheers, -- Gib Henry -------------------------------- --Info-Mac-Digest-- End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************