Subject: Info-Mac Digest V17 #148 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Info-Mac-Digest" --Info-Mac-Digest Info-Mac Digest Tue, 19 Sep 00 Volume 17 : Issue 148 Today's Topics: [*] TidBITS#548/18-Sep-00 (A) G4 stability issues resolved (A) Utility to view/change invisible items? (C) MacOS X and classic apps (Q) Connecting Kodak DC290 and PowerMac G3/266 [*] McLottery Pro 4.0 [*] Mean Green Kaleidoscope Scheme [*] Moreover News plugin - searches 2,000 news sources [*] Nuku 1.0 [*] Reckless Drivin 1.0 [*] Site Fetcher 1.0.1 - helper app for Anarchie/Interarchy [*] Web Confidential 2.1 [*] Web Confidential 2.1 - French version [*] Web Confidential 2.1 - German version [*] Weight a'Minute 1.1.0 - Weight Tracking Tool AppleWorks Goes Crazy Info-Mac Digest V17 #144 OSL_DD Watchdog keyboard replacement for print shop delux SpaceAgent question systems for older mac's systems for older Macs systems for older macs (R) VImage PB1400 upgrade card driver The Info-Mac Network is a volunteer organization that publishes the Info-Mac Digest and operates the Info-Mac Archive, a large network of FTP sites containing gigabytes of freely distributable Macintosh software. 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Info-Mac volunteers include Adam C. Engst, Demitri Muna, Hugh Lewis, Tom Coradeschi, Shawn Bunn, Christopher Li, Patrik Montgomery, Ed Chambers, and Chris Pepper. America Online donated the main Info-Mac machine . ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --Info-Mac-Digest Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Info-Mac Digest V17 #148" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:00:00 -0700 From: TidBITS Editors To: digest@info-mac.org, Mac-L@clio.lyris.net, evangelist@macevangelist.com Subject: [*] TidBITS#548/18-Sep-00 TidBITS#548/18-Sep-00 Mac OS X Public Beta is out! Steve Jobs's keynote at Apple Expo 2000 in Paris last week featured the Mac OS X Public Beta and introductions of more powerful iBooks in new colors. Also in this issue, we talk with Macintosh author and veteran David Blatner about playing with today's technology yesterday, and note releases of MindControl 1.1 and WebSTAR Server Suite 4.3. This week's poll: Do you say "Mac OS Ten" (like Apple wants) or "Mac OS Ex?" Topics: MailBITS/18-Sep-00 Quiz Results: Less is Moire Apple Releases Mac OS X Beta New iBooks Close the Power Gap InterviewBITS: A Conversation with David Blatner [Archived as /info-mac/per/tb/tidbits-548.etx; 31K] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:41:26 -0400 From: "Douglas W St.Clair" To: digest@info-mac.org Subject: At 4:47 PM -0400 9/14/00, abrody@smart.net wrote: >Dear Digest readers, > I might add that Zip disks are not for archival storage. They >are for data exchange only. Zip disks are susceptible to dust and >magnetism in ways that CD-R disks are not. > >Sincerely, >abrody@smart.net I would like to second this important observation regarding the finite life of data on this medium. I would also like to point out that of all archival methods digital medium is the shortest. Historically paper, clay, canvas, and stone have been used and properly cared for have retained records for thousands of years. Digital media relies on the media and system being intact for the entire life of the information to be saved. With regard to systems let me draw a parallel to the life of data on todays systems to the 8-track music cassette. How many people can find a system to play them on. How many of you/r kids know what an 8-track looks like today. With regard to media even printing to paper digital media has been disappointing as the inks have a very short life compared to traditional art colors. As an aside I was informed many years ago that the RFP for the computer system we were bidding had the following requirement. For the next forty years it would be necessary to be able to reconstruct the system with every hardware part at the same revision level as it was when the software was used to do a specific analysis. It was also necessary to have software at the original level and the software sources and documentation must also be available for the entire forty years. Doug PS Don't vote it will only encourage them. -- END *************** *************** *************** ********** Douglas W. St.Clair Tir na nOg 400 Burton Highway Wilton, NH 03086-5022 USA PH: 603-654-9321 FAX: 603-654-5440 CELL: 617-233-3387 or 617-beef-fur *************** *************** *************** ********** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 10:12:03 -0400 From: "abrody@smart.net" To: digest@info-mac.org Subject: (A) G4 stability issues resolved Dear Digest readers, After 9 months of isolating the problem I have found several items to verify to make sure a Yikes (has no AGP slot) G4 runs without crashing. 1. The Energy Saver needs to be disabled. 2. Run either MacOS 8.6 or 9.0.4, and not 9.0.0. 3. The control strip needs to be disabled. 4. If you tore off the application menu to make it floating so you can see the application menu at all times, this can make stability decrease markedly. 5. Have an authorized Apple repair make sure the Power Supply is in working order, and ensure all cards are seated properly. 6. Installing more RAM, and increasing the Get Info box Minimum and Preferred memory allocation by at least 1000 k over suggested will also help, especially if you disable virtual memory. Internet Explorer 5.0 needs at least 26,000 k in both minimum and preferred boxes, and the same is true of Netscape. Few Macintosh applications are designed to work with virtual memory, and you will see increased stability and speed when you turn it off, and allocate enough memory to each application. This is contrary to PC applications which invariably require virtual memory. Sincerely, abrody@smart.net -- Come visit my mini Yahoo at: http://www.index-site.com/ All links verified monthly. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 23:12:23 -0500 From: solitude@flash.net To: digest@info-mac.org, jea@winternet.com Subject: (A) Utility to view/change invisible items? >At 20:33 -0400 8/2/00, The Info-Mac Network wrote: > >From: John Arsenault > > > >Does anybody know of a utility program available that will allow the change > >of invisible items to visible and the reverse? There is a free Change Visibility contextual plug-in at Alsoft.com. It works simply and wonderfully. Minkah ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 10:59:50 -0400 From: "abrody@smart.net" To: digest@info-mac.org Subject: (C) MacOS X and classic apps Dear Digest readers, Well I have written Steve Jobs, and he is saying that it is technically impossible to offer memory protection to classic apps under MacOS X. He was nice enough to apologize that it couldn't be done, but that's where I think any developers we know can start to think different and find a work around. Either that, or now is the time to start saving up for the upgrades to carbon apps for when MacOS X arrives. Because memory protection will mean we won't crash our machines trying to get work done. Hrmm...we need a calendar program for MacOS X, an addressbook, a fax software, a database, GraphicConverter, Dataviz MacLinkPlus, VirtualPC, Quicken. Is Quicken 98 carbonized? Is Appleworks 5.0.4 carbonized, is Photoshop 5.5 carbonized? Or do I have to upgrade to 6.0? Is Eudora 4.3.3 carbonized? I won't upgrade to 5.0 since I will lose my registration information. We need to contact all the developers in the info-mac archives to start making carbonized version of applications. How difficult is it for somebody with Codewarrior and the source code of an application to carbonize an application? Can code just be patched, or does the entire code have to be rewritten? We have till March according to CNBC. Sincerely, abrody@smart.net -- Come visit my mini Yahoo at: http://www.index-site.com/ All links verified monthly. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:55:57 +0200 From: Pieter Stouten To: digest@info-mac.org Subject: (Q) Connecting Kodak DC290 and PowerMac G3/266 I would like to transfer photos from a Kodak DC290 to a PowerMac G3/266. The camera supports USB and serial, but my Mac does not have USB, and if it has a serial port I certainly cannot plug the serial (PC) cable that came with the camera into it. Can anybody advise how I may transfer my pictures? Thanks, Pieter ------------------------------ Date: 15 Sep 2000 From: "Ernie Thompson" To: Subject: [*] McLottery Pro 4.0 McLottery Pro is an advanced all-in-one lottery simulator, wheeler, plotter/analyser, ticket checker, calculator, statistical bias monitor and betslip printer that can be configured to suit all known lotto, keno and Powerball game formats (maximum 20 regular and 5 bonus from 80 fieldsize). Its central features are: (a) the ability to identify the best paying numbers in your local game. (b) the ability to import and convert thousands of highly specialised covering designs (widely available in the public domain on the internet) into playable, checkable wheelfiles. (c) the ability to automatically construct wheels from the best paying numbers, or let you pick your own. Comes with a selection of sample files and complete user-manual. Full selection of wheels for most popular format games plus interesting technical articles can also be downloaded from the homesite at: http://www.chariot.net.au/~et/mclottery.html Requires: 68030 processor or better, System 7 or later. [Archived as /info-mac/game/mc-lottery-pro-40.hqx; 789 K] ------------------------------ Date: 15 Sep 2000 From: royerm To: Subject: [*] Mean Green Kaleidoscope Scheme Mean Green is a Kaleidoscope 2.0+ scheme in vivid greens against black,,,,,it is geometric is design. -Martha Royer See and download my Kaleidoscope schemes here: http://www.kaleidoscope.net/schemes/completelisting.shtml Click the letter "R" and find my schemes there [Archived as /info-mac/gui/ks/mean-green-ks.hqx; 299 K] ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 2000 From: "Joseph Salama" To: Subject: [*] Moreover News plugin - searches 2,000 news sources The Moreover News plugin searches news articles from 2,000 different sources of news, including CNN, WSJ, Financial Times, NYT, BBC, Washington Post, The Industry Standard, etc., with near real-time results. It is a great way to clean up the clutter because you will no longer need separate plugins for each of the news sites. http://w.moreover.com/sherlock/MoreoverNews.src.bin [Archived as /info-mac/cfg/moreover-news.hqx; 3 K] ------------------------------ Date: 15 Sep 2000 From: Axel Andersson To: Subject: [*] Nuku 1.0 A small application to help you learn the Japanese writing systems hiragana and katakana. Features both hiragana and katakana in one application, the three main romanization systems, options for selecting which parts to train on, and the ability to switch between quiz mode, where the user is asked to identify a character, and the learning mode, where the application shows the character the user asked for. [Archived as /info-mac/edu/lang/nuku-10.hqx; 184 K] ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 2000 From: jonas echterhoff To: Subject: [*] Reckless Drivin 1.0 1. What is Reckless Drivin' ? Reckless Drivin' is a new action game for the Mac. It's gameplay is similar to it's predecessor, Burning Rubber, a Mac shareware game I released in 1996. In Burning Rubber one had to drive a car through 2-dimensional levels as fast as possible, leaving as much destruction as possible on the way. Reckless Drivin' follows the same basic principle, however, it has been completely rewritten from scratch, and it employs a new graphics engine featuring smooth, dynamically zoomed, scrolling 16-bit graphics. The physics simulation has been redesigned to realistically resemble skidding and tire tracks on different road surfaces. To learn how to play the game, click on the 'Help' button in the Reckless Drivin' main menu, or just start a new game, and see for yourself. 2. Requirements -A Power Macintosh or compatible. 100Mhz or more is recommended for smooth gameplay. To play the game at it's optimal settings, you should have an iMac or better. -DrawSprocket and InputSprocket. These are parts of the Apple GameSprockets. If you do not have them installed on your computer, you can download them from the Reckless Drivin' Homepage: http://reckless.x2.nu . -MacOS 8 or higher is highly recommended. If you want to run the game under System 7, you need to have the Appearance Manager installed. However, the program has not been thoroughly tested under System 7. -12 MB of free memory. If you play with the 'Use Thousands of Colors' setting disabled, you may try lowering the applications memory partition size to something around 8 MB. Currently I can not make any statement on MacOS X compatibility, since I did not get my hands on a MacOS X beta yet (and I can't afford Apples developer programs). However, I will see into 'Carbonizing' the program in the future. [Archived as /info-mac/game/reckless-drivin-10.hqx; 7431 K] ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 From: "Donald S. Hall" To: Subject: [*] Site Fetcher 1.0.1 - helper app for Anarchie/Interarchy Site Fetcher 1.01 Site Fetcher is a background helper application for the popular Macintosh Internet programs Anarchie and Interarchy that lets you download entire web sites, or parts of web sites, at any time on a daily, weekly, weekdays only, or one time basis. Automatically download large web sites while away from your computer and have them waiting to be read off line at your convenience. System and Software Requirements: Macintosh System 7.5 or later, Open Transport, a Point to Point Protocol (PPP) Internet connection, and Anarchie or Interarchy. Purchase Information: Shareware $7 Developer: Apps & More Software Design, Inc. [Archived as /info-mac/comm/inet/site-fetcher-101.hqx; 112 K] ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 From: URL Manager Pro Support To: Subject: [*] Web Confidential 2.1 Web Confidential 2.1 for Macintosh Web Confidential is an intuitive, easy-to-use program for managing user IDs, passwords, registration numbers, and the like. Although widely imitated, Web Confidential is still the most powerful password manager on the Mac today and is currently the only password manager which is able to HotSync with a Palm device using a Macintosh Conduit. While Web Confidential is suitable for a wide variety of personal data, from credit card numbers to serial numbers, Alco Blom designed Web Confidential particularly for the World Wide Web in mind. "Increasing numbers of Web sites maintain some form of user registration," points out Blom. "You may not realize it, but in the course of time you may registered at a couple of dozen sites. Do you remember the passwords you entered for all of them?" Web Confidential allows Web surfers to store URLs, user IDs, and passwords in one secure location. Web Confidential can automate the process of logging into a password-secured Web page by automatically passing URL, user ID, and password to your Web browser. For opening pages containing personal account information at commercial sites, Web Confidential allows you to automatically fill in WWW Forms with user ID and password fields. To ensure the personal information stored in Web Confidential remains confidential, the program's password files can be encrypted using state-of-the-art encryption technology. Web Confidential is shareware. Web Confidential is available for Mac, Win and Palm platforms. The Home Page of Web Confidential is: Contact Alco Blom at: [Archived as /info-mac/comm/inet/web/web-confidential-21.hqx; 705 K] ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 From: URL Manager Pro Support To: Subject: [*] Web Confidential 2.1 - French version This is the French version of Web Confidential. Web Confidential 2.1 for Macintosh Web Confidential is an intuitive, easy-to-use program for managing user IDs, passwords, registration numbers, and the like. Although widely imitated, Web Confidential is still the most powerful password manager on the Mac today and is currently the only password manager which is able to HotSync with a Palm device using a Macintosh Conduit. While Web Confidential is suitable for a wide variety of personal data, from credit card numbers to serial numbers, Alco Blom designed Web Confidential particularly for the World Wide Web in mind. "Increasing numbers of Web sites maintain some form of user registration," points out Blom. "You may not realize it, but in the course of time you may registered at a couple of dozen sites. Do you remember the passwords you entered for all of them?" Web Confidential allows Web surfers to store URLs, user IDs, and passwords in one secure location. Web Confidential can automate the process of logging into a password-secured Web page by automatically passing URL, user ID, and password to your Web browser. For opening pages containing personal account information at commercial sites, Web Confidential allows you to automatically fill in WWW Forms with user ID and password fields. To ensure the personal information stored in Web Confidential remains confidential, the program's password files can be encrypted using state-of-the-art encryption technology. Web Confidential is shareware. Web Confidential is available for Mac, Win and Palm platforms. The Home Page of Web Confidential is: Contact Alco Blom at: [Archived as /info-mac/comm/inet/web/web-confidential-21-fr.hqx; 968 K] ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 From: URL Manager Pro Support To: Subject: [*] Web Confidential 2.1 - German version This is the German version of Web Confidential. Web Confidential 2.1 for Macintosh Web Confidential is an intuitive, easy-to-use program for managing user IDs, passwords, registration numbers, and the like. Although widely imitated, Web Confidential is still the most powerful password manager on the Mac today and is currently the only password manager which is able to HotSync with a Palm device using a Macintosh Conduit. While Web Confidential is suitable for a wide variety of personal data, from credit card numbers to serial numbers, Alco Blom designed Web Confidential particularly for the World Wide Web in mind. "Increasing numbers of Web sites maintain some form of user registration," points out Blom. "You may not realize it, but in the course of time you may registered at a couple of dozen sites. Do you remember the passwords you entered for all of them?" Web Confidential allows Web surfers to store URLs, user IDs, and passwords in one secure location. Web Confidential can automate the process of logging into a password-secured Web page by automatically passing URL, user ID, and password to your Web browser. For opening pages containing personal account information at commercial sites, Web Confidential allows you to automatically fill in WWW Forms with user ID and password fields. To ensure the personal information stored in Web Confidential remains confidential, the program's password files can be encrypted using state-of-the-art encryption technology. Web Confidential is shareware. Web Confidential is available for Mac, Win and Palm platforms. The Home Page of Web Confidential is: Contact Alco Blom at: [Archived as /info-mac/comm/inet/web/web-confidential-21-de.hqx; 702 K] ------------------------------ Date: 15 Sep 2000 From: Anthony J Lambert To: Subject: [*] Weight a'Minute 1.1.0 - Weight Tracking Tool Weight a'Minute is a shareware tool that enables you to monitor your weight over time. It records your weight, calculates your body mass index and graphically represents your progress against a target that you define. It also has a full on-line help. The binary package contains the Weight a'Minute application, a comprehensive user manual, a text "read me" file and a program for registering the application. [Archived as /info-mac/app/weight-a-minute-110.hqx; 3111 K] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 06:07:55 -0400 From: macman@kyol.net (Chazzz) To: digest@info-mac.org Subject: AppleWorks Goes Crazy I've noticed this very odd behavior in AppleWorks. When working in the Word Processing window, the scroll bar suddenly starts scrolling by itself and it does so BACKWARDS. If I'm attempnting to scroll down the page, it starts to scroll UP and won't stop til it reaches the end of the document. At the same time the cursor "wiggles" between the insertion cursor and the arrow cursor. It's probably an extension conflict, but I haven't recently added anything I can think of. AppleWorks was acting OK in the past. Any thoughts on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Charles Cusumano -- Chazzz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:06:10 -0700 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=954?= To: digest@info-mac.org Subject: Info-Mac Digest V17 #144 OSL_DD Watchdog > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [*] OSL_DD Watchdog > Date: 12 Sep 2000 > From: Ton Brand > > OSL_DD Watchdog > > What it is: AppleScript that watches your extensions folder for unwanted > ObjectSupportLib and Macintosh Drag and Drop. > Author: Ton Brand > Company: Ton's Software > License: freeware > Abstract: > Some applications install an obsolete library 'ObjectSupportLib' (OSL) or an > obsolete extension > 'Macintosh Drag and Drop' (DD) in the Extensions folder. Since the > introduction of Mac OS 8, ObjectSupportLib is integrated in the system > software and since system 7.5 Macintosh Drag and Drop is built in also. > The obsolete files could lead to strange effects or even crashes. So is would > be useful to check after every third-party software install procedure whether > ObjectSupportLib and/or Macintosh Drag and Drop was wrongfully added. OSL_DD > Watchdog does this for you, after you have put the program or its alias in > the Startup Items folder (which is in your System folder). > > [Archived as /info-mac/dev/osa/osl-dd-watchdog.hqx; 12 K] > > Sounds neat Ton but I named a couple of folders 'ObjectSupportLib' and 'Macintosh Drag and Drop' and put those in my System Extensions folder. Since a file can't replace a folder, there has been no installation of those particular anachronisms. Jò4 entropy happens...serendipity bridges the gap ------------------------------ Date: 15 Sep 00 15:14:10 MDT From: chan133@usa.net To: digest@info-mac.org Subject: keyboard Dear Sir, I am currently living in Canada. I bought a Mitsubishi Mini Keyboard(japanese version), and while i am using it in Canada, I found that some of the word pads doesn't match my English version PC. Is there a file that I can download from the web, so that the japanese version keyboard can work with my English PC? thank you very much. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:40:32 -0400 From: John McGibney To: InfoMac posting Subject: replacement for print shop delux I foud a cheep place for Print Master Delux (free) you pay only $4.95 for shipping. Its unbeatable deals .com www.unbeatabledeals.com Yhey don't have alot of software but the prices are good free to about $7. shipping says it should take 3-4 weeks John McGibney ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:49:07 -0400 From: "Douglas W St.Clair" To: spaceagent@insidersoftware.com Subject: SpaceAgent question A posting describing your product said, "... SpaceAgent typically reduces web site size by 30%! The streamlined pages download faster, render more quickly, save bandwidth, and reduce web server loads. On average, web sites display 50% faster!" I can see a 30% increase where does the additional 20% increase come from? -- END *************** *************** *************** ********** Douglas W. St.Clair Tir na nOg 400 Burton Highway Wilton, NH 03086-5022 USA PH: 603-654-9321 FAX: 603-654-5440 CELL: 617-233-3387 or 617-beef-fur *************** *************** *************** ********** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 07:59:27 -0400 From: "Cindy Krueger" To: Subject: systems for older mac's Possibly one of these website will help you find your answer LowEnd Mac - the site for older Macs http://lowendmac.com SE 30 info http://www.edprint.demon.co.uk/se/index.html Classic Mac info http://www.zws.com/classicmacs/index.html Download.Com - Software for the Macintosh http://www.download.com/Init/FrontDoor/0,1,88-0,201000.html You might also be able to get other system software from Used Macs and Macintosh Upgrades, Sun Remarketing http://www.sunrem.com/ Cindy Krueger Lansing, MI USA >>> Stemerdink - 9/13/00 6:06 AM >>> I have a question on older Mac's. Could anyone inform me on what older 'all-in-one' Mac's I can run Sytem 4.X? Please answer me directly via e-mail, as I have no regular access to this Newsgroup. My e-mail address is either stemerdi@cwi.nl or stemerdink_wichert@hotmail.com. Thanks, Gerrit Stemerdink -- Gerrit J. Stemerdink Weerdslag 98, 7206 BV Zutphen, the Netherlands phone: (+31) 575 523005 email: gsek@cbs.nl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:39:39 -0700 From: Bill Rausch To: digest@info-mac.org Subject: systems for older Macs >Info-Mac Digest Thu, 14 Sep 00 Volume 17 : Issue 147 >Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:25:37 +0200 >From: Christian F Buser >To: stemerdi@cwi.nl >Subject: systems for older macs (R) > >At Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:06:37 GMT, Gerrit.Stemerdink@cwi.nl (Stemerdink) >wrote: > >>Could anyone inform me on what older 'all-in-one' Mac's I can run Sytem 4.X? >> >>I have some old favorite games that only run on this system version >>and I'd like to know whether for example an SE will tolerate this. > >I did not find any record about a system 4.x on Apple's site. There >is a "jump" from 2.0.1 to 5.0. >See for the >specifications of all Apple hardware. > >Best wishes, Christian. The oldest systems used to numbered based on the "System" file. When they jumped from 2 to 5 was when they started treating the "Finder" file's version number as the significant one. If I recall correctly, Finder 4 matched up with System 2 Mac 512... Finder 5 matched up with System 3 Mac Plus... Finder 6 matched up with System 4 Mac II... When they went to the newer OSes (7 and up) they renumbered again so Finder and System are somewhat alike. --- Bill Rausch, Software Development, Unix, Mac, Windows Numerical Applications, Inc. 509-943-0861 bill@numerical.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 07:29:48 -0400 From: Allan Hunter To: Christian F Buser Subject: systems for older macs (R) >At Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:06:37 GMT, Gerrit.Stemerdink@cwi.nl >(Stemerdink) wrote: > >>Could anyone inform me on what older 'all-in-one' Mac's I can run Sytem 4.X? >> >>I have some old favorite games that only run on this system version >>and I'd like to know whether for example an SE will tolerate this. > >I did not find any record about a system 4.x on Apple's site. There >is a "jump" from 2.0.1 to 5.0. >See for the >specifications of all Apple hardware. > That's not a definitive list of all the OS software they released but is their recommendation of which OS should be used with which hardware model. Also, they switched numbering schemed in mid-stream, further confusing the issue. a) There was definitely a System 3 that came after System 2. System 3 was the first to support HFS instead of MFS, and therefore (I think?) the first to support double-sided 800K floppy disks instead of only 400K floppies. (Possibly System 2 would not refuse to recognize 800K floppies but anything inside a folder created in a later OS version would disappear under Systems 1 or 2 because MFS couldn't "see" the HFS folders). System 3 had the larger and more comprehensive (but still single-panel) Control Panel; Systems 1 and 2 had a confusing icon of a turtle (slow) and a rabbit (fast) for keyboard "rate" without explicitly explaining if that meant repeat rate or delay before starting to repeat keys. System 3 had the newer Control Panel. b) Up until System 6, Apple numbered the actual System FILE and had a separate numbering scheme for the Finder FILE that has to accompany it to accomplish boot. The Finder got ahead of the System and by System 4.0, the accompanying Finder was version 5.1...(I think...or was it 5.2?). This was confusing and Apple began, at SOME point during the System 4 period, to begin referring to the combination of System 4.x and Finder 5.x as "System Tools 5.x", and with the next iteration of the operating system changed its numbering scheme so that the System File and the Finder File were numbered TOGETHER with an identical number. Since System 4 + Finder 5 was "System Tools 5", Apple followed System File 4.1 and its accompanying Finder, whatever version number it may have had, with System 6.0. So there was never a System 5, in the sense of a System File itself ever containing the version number 5; but Apple, looking backwards, usually refers to the System 4.x / Finder 5.x combo package as System 5. Confused? c) System 4 (aka System Tools 5) existed as 4.0 and 4.1; it was the first Mac OS in which, when you shut down, it didn't merely spit out your floppy and immediately try to reboot, i.e., restart--instead, it gave you a screen telling you that you could now "power down the computer safely". System 4 was also the first to have a Restart button in the Finder menu. System 4.1 was the first to come with the new System 6-style Control Panel, the one in which modular elements you selected on the left changed the interface window on the right, so that you could add 3rd-party Control Panel devices to your System Folder and have them show up. System 4 was the last to have no multitasking from Apple; a 3rd-party product called Switcher worked under System 4 to let you run more than one application at the same time. System 4 was the only one to have Minifinder, an early attempt at providing a stripped-down interface for newbies. System 6, when it came out, had MultiFinder in the menu where MiniFinder had been under System 4. -- Allan Hunter ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 04:59:28 -0700 From: scott lewis To: Subject: VImage PB1400 upgrade card driver Hi, Does anyone have a copy of the `current' driver for the VPower 1400? I lost my copy in a drive crash and the only download links I've been able to find all point to (the long-dead) www.vimagestore.com. The version I'm looking for was the last one they put up for download (the actual version number escapes me) and included a Control Strip module. Thanks, scot. -- Outlook Express: (n) Claris Em@iler with the wrong answer to every question of user interface. -------------------------------- --Info-Mac-Digest-- End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************